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The Tensions Every Brand CEO Has to Manage with CMO Francois Bazini

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The Tensions Every Brand CEO Has to Manage with CMO Francois Bazini

Francois Bazini

27 Jan 2026 · 49 min

About this episode

François Bazini, CMO of Suntory Beverage & Food Europe is one of the most thoughtful brand CMOs in global FMCG

François shares a rare, inside view of what it really means to be a brand steward in organisations like Danone, BCG, PepsiCo and Suntory. From resisting short-term zig-zagging, to building brands that can withstand private label pressure, this conversation goes deep on the realities of modern brand leadership. We explore why marketers must act as brand CEOs, how tension with CFOs can be productive rather than problematic, and why targeting older audiences is one of the most under-exploited growth opportunities in marketing today. François also unpacks the Ribena turnaround, Schweppes’ response to Fever-Tree, and why most advertising testing is misunderstood. This is a wide-ranging, honest discussion about judgment, evidence, culture, and the long game in brand building.

Topics include: Brand stewardship vs short-termism, marketing ROI, working with finance, global vs local marketing roles, age targeting myths, private label competition, creative testing, and why some brands endure while others drift.

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Chapters

  1. 03:25Career path: from Danone to consulting and global brand roles
  2. 04:55What BCG teaches marketers about being fact-based
  3. 07:00Brand stewardship and avoiding strategic zig-zagging
  4. 09:30Timeless vs timely brand decisions
  5. 11:00Marketing ROI beyond short-term sales
  6. 12:30Marketers as brand CEOs
  7. 13:45Working with CFOs and productive tension
  8. 16:00Global vs local marketing roles
  9. 20:00Ribena: brand decline and recovery
  10. 22:30Going back to a brand’s peak moment
  11. 26:00The myth of always targeting youth
  12. 29:00Schweppes, Fever-Tree and category disruption
  13. 31:45Targeting over-45s unapologetically
  14. 34:00Media thresholds and focus over fragmentation
  15. 35:45Moving beyond marketing mix modelling
  16. 38:15The limits of advertising testing
  17. 41:00When great ads fail tests but succeed commercially
  18. 42:20Competing with private label
  19. 43:00DAQV: desirability, affordability, quality, visibility

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